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	<title>Comments on: The curious incident of the vote at the book club</title>
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		<title>By: Disability Blog Carnival No. 49: Lists</title>
		<link>http://aspierhetor.com/2008/10/25/the-curious-incident-of-the-vote-at-the-book-club/comment-page-1/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>Disability Blog Carnival No. 49: Lists</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] some &#8220;Autism Ain&#8217;ts&#8221; from Joel at NTs Are Weird, and a protest against a book from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aspie Rhetor</title>
		<link>http://aspierhetor.com/2008/10/25/the-curious-incident-of-the-vote-at-the-book-club/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Aspie Rhetor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea,

Thanks for your comment (and sorry for my delay in response). Yes, I agree -- the distribution of power in this particular vote was very disconcerting, as it would be in any disability-related social group, as you say with the Deaf/hearing example. It&#039;s frustrating when a group of people, people who are very much in a privileged or dominant position, assume that they are so right. (And it very obviously upset most of us! And those who weren&#039;t upset by the vote became upset by all the resulting commotion and meltdowns. It was a pretty disastrous evening.)

Our original NT moderator is, for the most part, usually understanding of such objections. (She&#039;s actually HoH, which I think contributes to her understanding us better, especially from a sensory/info filtering perspective. All of us are pretty easily distracted.) However, it&#039;s gotten to the point where sometimes the NT moderators outnumber the aspies, and the balance has negatively affected decision-making and how the club is run. I realize that any book club run under the auspices of a university medical center (like our club is) is bound to have these sorts of issues, but still... the club started off as a pseudo-safe haven, a sort of &quot;aspie place&quot; and has kind of transformed into a bunch of people with weird NT agendas. 

To be fair to the NTs, though, things have gotten better and calmer the past couple weeks, and they&#039;ve started to realize why we had the reaction we did. We still ended up reading Curious and finished it this past Thursday. And the aspies basically used the club as a space to bash the book (and audience reaction to it), so... that has been fun. And hopefully educational to those who voted for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment (and sorry for my delay in response). Yes, I agree &#8212; the distribution of power in this particular vote was very disconcerting, as it would be in any disability-related social group, as you say with the Deaf/hearing example. It&#8217;s frustrating when a group of people, people who are very much in a privileged or dominant position, assume that they are so right. (And it very obviously upset most of us! And those who weren&#8217;t upset by the vote became upset by all the resulting commotion and meltdowns. It was a pretty disastrous evening.)</p>
<p>Our original NT moderator is, for the most part, usually understanding of such objections. (She&#8217;s actually HoH, which I think contributes to her understanding us better, especially from a sensory/info filtering perspective. All of us are pretty easily distracted.) However, it&#8217;s gotten to the point where sometimes the NT moderators outnumber the aspies, and the balance has negatively affected decision-making and how the club is run. I realize that any book club run under the auspices of a university medical center (like our club is) is bound to have these sorts of issues, but still&#8230; the club started off as a pseudo-safe haven, a sort of &#8220;aspie place&#8221; and has kind of transformed into a bunch of people with weird NT agendas. </p>
<p>To be fair to the NTs, though, things have gotten better and calmer the past couple weeks, and they&#8217;ve started to realize why we had the reaction we did. We still ended up reading Curious and finished it this past Thursday. And the aspies basically used the club as a space to bash the book (and audience reaction to it), so&#8230; that has been fun. And hopefully educational to those who voted for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Shettle, MSW</title>
		<link>http://aspierhetor.com/2008/10/25/the-curious-incident-of-the-vote-at-the-book-club/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Shettle, MSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something has just got to be really wrong with a group in which ALL of the NT people there vote against ALL the autistic people who chose to vote, on something several people had very strong opinions about.  Haven&#039;t the NT moderators learned by now to *listen* to what Autistic people say and take them seriously?  If I had been there (I&#039;m NT ... or if not quite NT, then at least not Autistic), I probably would have voted with the Autistic people *even if I hadn&#039;t understood their exact reasons for being upset with the book*, just because I would have felt they had the right not to be forced into reading something they had that much abhorance about.  The fact that more than one person was verbally upset about it would have been an immediate tip off to me that this was something more than just an individually idiosyncrantic reaction.

I&#039;m not Autistic.  But as a Deaf woman, I would have real trouble feeling comfortable in a group where the disconnect between the way Deaf people perceive things and the way hearing people perceive things was that profound.  Or where all the hearing people were in charge and none of the Deaf people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something has just got to be really wrong with a group in which ALL of the NT people there vote against ALL the autistic people who chose to vote, on something several people had very strong opinions about.  Haven&#8217;t the NT moderators learned by now to *listen* to what Autistic people say and take them seriously?  If I had been there (I&#8217;m NT &#8230; or if not quite NT, then at least not Autistic), I probably would have voted with the Autistic people *even if I hadn&#8217;t understood their exact reasons for being upset with the book*, just because I would have felt they had the right not to be forced into reading something they had that much abhorance about.  The fact that more than one person was verbally upset about it would have been an immediate tip off to me that this was something more than just an individually idiosyncrantic reaction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not Autistic.  But as a Deaf woman, I would have real trouble feeling comfortable in a group where the disconnect between the way Deaf people perceive things and the way hearing people perceive things was that profound.  Or where all the hearing people were in charge and none of the Deaf people.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas D. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://aspierhetor.com/2008/10/25/the-curious-incident-of-the-vote-at-the-book-club/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas D. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you may want to share, perhaps at that book club: People interested in learning more about autism are welcome to listen to the free Autism Spectrum Podcasts offered by Midnight In Chicago at www.mic.mypodcast.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you may want to share, perhaps at that book club: People interested in learning more about autism are welcome to listen to the free Autism Spectrum Podcasts offered by Midnight In Chicago at <a href="http://www.mic.mypodcast.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mic.mypodcast.com</a></p>
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